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John 12:8 For the poor always ye have

Mary anoints Jesus's feet with oil. Judas complains that the money could be spent on the poor.

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Greek Verse:

τJohn 12:8 τοὺς πτωχοὺς γὰρ πάντοτε ἔχετε μεθ᾽ ἑαυτῶν, ἐμὲ δὲ οὐ πάντοτε ἔχετε.

KJV Verse:

John 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

NIV Verse:

John 12:8 You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.”

Literal Alternative:

Because these beggars at all times, you have among yourselves. Me, however, not at all timed, mes, have you.

Hidden Meaning:

In the previous verse, Jesus addressed a single person, Judas. In this verse, he addresses tje group. The "you" changed from singular in the previous verse to plural in this verse.  The word translated as "the poor" doesn't mean "poor" in the sense of simply lacking worldly goods. It means "beggars." It is the noun form of the verb meaning "to beg."   It implies having no way to support yourself other than by asking others for support.

The NIV mistranslates verb "have" as the future tense, "will have," but the tense of the verb "to have" is in the present. The adverb "always" or "at all times" includes the past, present, and future, which requires the present tense.

Jesus also makes this idea personal by using a special pronoun in the phrase "with/among you." The "you" is not the common pronoun, but the reflexive, "among yourselves." This implies that some of those listening are also beggars, living off the donations of others.

My Takeaway:

We all start life as beggars, crying for what we need.

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Everyday word meanings at Jesus's time have been given a religious meaning they didn't have at the time. For example, the word for  "student" becomes "disciple;'" the word for "writings" becomes "scripture."  Words such as "prophet," "angels," "baptism," "hypocrite," "Christ," and many more are not translated at all but adopted into our language with their new, religious meanings. Different Greek words are hidden in a single English one so that the distinctions Jesus made are lost. Two different words are conflated into "love" but one means "enjoy" and the other, "care about." At least three different words with different meanings are translated as "good." Three others, are simplified as "evil." Four words are translated as "world." You may know that the word for "sin" doesn't mean that, not exactly, but did you know that the word translated as "forgive" doesn't mean that either? The Greek word translated as "word" doesn't mean "word" are all. It's that bad!

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Most Recent Question

Does John 6:37 mean that once I’m saved, no matter what sin I do, if I come to Jesus and ask for forgiveness and repent from that sin, I will not be cast out?

I don't see anything about asking forgiveness and repenting nor anything about "being saved." All of these are Christian concepts invented after Jesus. He doesn't use these ideas at all. What is translated as "forgive" means "let go" as in dropping something. What is translated as "repent" means "change your mind" as in thinking differently. What gets translated as "being saved" is the idea of being "rescued" not from "evil" but from "worthlessness."

None of this is in the verses. Or in its context. His ideas in John 6:37 are simpler.  You are either returning to Jesus or moving away from him. Those who the Father has given him...